Username: Additional_Goose_556
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Interlocutor: Redditor11 (atheist)
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Subreddit: DebateAnAtheist
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Preface: This encounter got me banned from r/DebateAnAtheist.
I was aggressive. It wasn't a fruitful discussion. But I decided to go heavy with the notations on this one to show the thought process behind my replies. Perhaps you can pick up on a debate tactic or two in order to ensure fairness in your own debates. I do not necessarily recommend being aggressive like this in debates.
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By the way, apparently the word "retarded" necessarily refers to people, and using it will get you kicked out of the community.
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Redditor11:
Apologists define omnipotence as the ability to do everything that is logically possible
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Then they are saying God has no power over logic, i.e. logic supercedes the power of their god. If god has no power over logic, then what created logic, and can we really consider that god all powerful?
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Additional_Goose_556:
Then they are saying God has no power over logic, i.e. logic supercedes the power of their god. If god has no power over logic, then what created logic, and can we really consider that god all powerful?
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// Establish my position which Redditor11 didn't account for.
Logic is an attribute of God.
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Redditor11:
Logic is an attribute of God.
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An attribute he can change or is powerless to change?
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Additional_Goose_556:
An attribute he can change or is powerless to change?
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// They are implying logic is either not absolute or God lacks power. Foolish. Shut it down and set them straight.
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No. Retarded question.
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God's attributes cannot be changed. God changing Himself would not be a sign of power, but a sign that He was never God to begin with.
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Redditor11:
There are plenty of attributes about us that we can change. For example, you've outed yourself as an ableist *** ****, but you can change this about youself.
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If your god is all powerful, then by the definition of the word 'all', your god should be able to change. If he can't, maybe you could use a different word to describe your god that isn't so intellectually dishonest?
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Additional_Goose_556:
// Note I am charged with intellectual dishonesty.
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There are plenty of attributes about us that we can change.
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// Irrelevant. Entertain anyway.
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How is this relevant? We weren't talking about us. Are there also attributes about us that we can't change? If so, which ones?
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For example, you've outed yourself as an ableist *** ****, but you can change this about youself.
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// An ableist is someone who is prejudice toward disabled people for being disabled. That was a comically unfounded attack. Set them straight by clarifying my words.
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LOL! I checked definitions before I communicated.
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Retarded: Socially inappropriate or foolish. (American Heritage)
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Question: A sentence, phrase, or gesture that seeks information through a reply. (American Heritage)
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Retarded Question: A foolish statement that seeks information.
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No mention of people up there.
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Ableism: Discrimination or prejudice against people with disabilities, especially physical disabilities. (American Heritage)
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// Turn their 'dishonest' charge back on them.
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So what do you mean I am an "ableist"? Do you mean I am some sort of ableist against statements instead of people? or are you just being intellectually dishonest?
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If your god is all powerful, then by the definition of the word 'all', your god should be able to change.
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// Note they are monopolizing a word. Challenge it.
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'All' or 'power' means 'able to change'? Change what? Or what do you mean? What is your reasoning here?
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Are you getting this from a dictionary? If so, which one?
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Do you think I am limited to using your definitions?
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If he can't, maybe you could use a different word to describe your god that isn't so intellectually dishonest?
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// Turn their 'dishonest' charge back on them again. It's my turn to monopolize a word.
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You are working towards defining me into a corner. I can use that method, too.
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In this context, "maybe" means you conceded all of your points, and you intellectually submit to me, so thank you for that.
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Redditor11:
Are there also attributes about us that we can't change?
Of course there are attributes about me I can't change. I'm not claiming to be an all powerful god.
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The rest of your rant is truly despicable. You are clearly a morally decrepit individual. Shame on you. ...but remember, you can change.
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Additional_Goose_556:
Of course there are attributes about me I can't change. I'm not claiming to be an all powerful god. The rest of your rant is truly despicable. You are clearly a morally decrepit individual. Shame on you. ...but remember, you can change.
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// Ignore their answer to the irrelevant tangent. Note I am charged with ranting. Note I am shamed and charged with being decrepit by the one who shamed me for being an ableist. Use this to turn their own foolish attack on them.
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So you are an ableist.
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// Encourage better behavior.
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Now go, take your ad hominems elsewhere. Take it to an echo chamber where you can use it on yourself. Then try to cease from using them on other people.
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// Question the 'rant' charge.
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(If Redditor11 considers that a rant, then what does an intellectual debate look like to them? Do they perceive no difference between the two?)
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